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Having spoken about the conspiracy world and AJ's influence on Adam's thinking earlier in the show, they then go on about why the M5M is the way it is...

@Johncdvorak: "I think these people are mostly sincere."
@adam: "Hmm. Pathetic."
@Johncdvorak: "Well, it's the milieu. Milieus are very powerful."
@adam: "Yes, yeah."

This is a "the truth wants to come out" moment. NA has become way more conservative and conspiracy minded than when it started, but as they explain, it's not their fault.

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